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		<title>By: michaelmkones</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelmkones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: New Tricks: Rules of engagement: How journalists can - and should - respond to comments &#124; Old Media, New Tricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Tricks: Rules of engagement: How journalists can - and should - respond to comments &#124; Old Media, New Tricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - When someone makes a racist comment. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caitlin Rosberg</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Caitlin Rosberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the input, Stephanie.  Your solution is pretty close to what mine ended up being, which is really unfortunate, honestly.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have been lucky enough to watch entire communities turn their backs on trolls, who eventually leave when deprived of life-giving attention.  Maybe that is the best solution after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input, Stephanie.  Your solution is pretty close to what mine ended up being, which is really unfortunate, honestly.  </p>
<p>I have been lucky enough to watch entire communities turn their backs on trolls, who eventually leave when deprived of life-giving attention.  Maybe that is the best solution after all.</p>
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		<title>By: dan360man</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan360man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point. I would probably be honored if I banned someone from this personal Web site and they wanted to come back &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; much. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then again, I hope we&#039;re not being that controversial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s a good point. I would probably be honored if I banned someone from this personal Web site and they wanted to come back <i>that</i> much. </p>
<p>Then again, I hope we&#39;re not being that controversial.</p>
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		<title>By: mguice</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>mguice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a simple method to deal with banned persons who have assumed new identities in order to regain access.  It is called verification.  If they create a new fake id and use it to verify then they have done enough to be charged with using a fake email to defraud.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You will never have to do any of this if you outline in your rules that banned means banned and that you mean it. A few legal terms should make it stick. Few people will want to &quot;try&quot; you to see if they really go to jail.  Works great for local forums because your verification process should give you enough data to locate them in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a simple method to deal with banned persons who have assumed new identities in order to regain access.  It is called verification.  If they create a new fake id and use it to verify then they have done enough to be charged with using a fake email to defraud.</p>
<p>You will never have to do any of this if you outline in your rules that banned means banned and that you mean it. A few legal terms should make it stick. Few people will want to &#8220;try&#8221; you to see if they really go to jail.  Works great for local forums because your verification process should give you enough data to locate them in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: mguice</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>mguice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You touch on the two important parts here.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  Positive identification of all posters is cardinal.&lt;br&gt;2.  Playing nice is essential.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I would have granted the trolls their own discussion zone, created a few different persona&#039;s for myself and started a few wars. That is easy when you can be both a trusted ally and a hated enemy. They would be so happy in their new environment that they would soon forget all the other ones.  After getting them mad as heck as each other I would withdraw so they could have their fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You touch on the two important parts here.  </p>
<p>1.  Positive identification of all posters is cardinal.<br />2.  Playing nice is essential.</p>
<p>Personally, I would have granted the trolls their own discussion zone, created a few different persona&#39;s for myself and started a few wars. That is easy when you can be both a trusted ally and a hated enemy. They would be so happy in their new environment that they would soon forget all the other ones.  After getting them mad as heck as each other I would withdraw so they could have their fun.</p>
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		<title>By: mguice</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>mguice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good friend of mine, who is a prison warden and is also black, gave me a bit of wisdom on this many years ago.  She said, &quot;everyone is racist, even me&quot;.   In other words, we all have some tribalism hard-wired in us.  The matter becomes to what degree you will find acceptable  in your community.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For this reason, I do not ban code words.  I do not even ban in N word if it is given in context as a direct quote of a piece of literature, lyric, or the statement of a public figure.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do toast comments that make blatant statements such as &quot;I hate (othersubgroup)&quot;.  I also ban calling other people racist.  Personal attacks are always out of bounds.  If you are going to disprove a person&#039;s argument, arguments with tribalism at the core are pretty easy to refute without name calling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which brings me to my over-riding principal.  You can discuss any idea and any statement without being rude. Rudeness is personal animosity.  ideas that are offensive or wrong will die on their own in the marketplace of ideas. I find it offensive that people attempt to shut off debate instead of sharpening their own ideas and making their own argument better.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The number one benefit of free speech is that it forces ideas to clash and forces people to think.  That is a hard thing.  The easy thing is to find an excuse to cut off the debate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will people oppose President-Elect Obama&#039;s leadership because he is black. Certainly they will. They will also oppose his leadership because they disagree with him on ideas, principal, or motives.  BOTH arguments will have bearing on how people vote and how they act and, as such, both should be debated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good friend of mine, who is a prison warden and is also black, gave me a bit of wisdom on this many years ago.  She said, &#8220;everyone is racist, even me&#8221;.   In other words, we all have some tribalism hard-wired in us.  The matter becomes to what degree you will find acceptable  in your community.</p>
<p>For this reason, I do not ban code words.  I do not even ban in N word if it is given in context as a direct quote of a piece of literature, lyric, or the statement of a public figure.  </p>
<p>I do toast comments that make blatant statements such as &#8220;I hate (othersubgroup)&#8221;.  I also ban calling other people racist.  Personal attacks are always out of bounds.  If you are going to disprove a person&#39;s argument, arguments with tribalism at the core are pretty easy to refute without name calling.</p>
<p>Which brings me to my over-riding principal.  You can discuss any idea and any statement without being rude. Rudeness is personal animosity.  ideas that are offensive or wrong will die on their own in the marketplace of ideas. I find it offensive that people attempt to shut off debate instead of sharpening their own ideas and making their own argument better.</p>
<p>The number one benefit of free speech is that it forces ideas to clash and forces people to think.  That is a hard thing.  The easy thing is to find an excuse to cut off the debate.</p>
<p>Will people oppose President-Elect Obama&#39;s leadership because he is black. Certainly they will. They will also oppose his leadership because they disagree with him on ideas, principal, or motives.  BOTH arguments will have bearing on how people vote and how they act and, as such, both should be debated.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://www.oldmedianewtricks.com/new-tricks-dealing-with-racism-within-your-social-realm/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlyn - I had that very problem when I took over my paper&#039;s forum. We had a band of bullies who dominated the place and it took nearly two years to get past these tenacious folks. (I talked a little about my problems as a moderator &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stephanieromanski.com/2008/09/are-forums-important-anymore/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, what i finally had to do was disallow any registrations coming from any free email service like Yahoo, Hotmail or Gmail.

They were using them to create dupes and continue to antagonize the community I was trying to rebuild. some were easy to spot because they couldn&#039;t help themselves from acting like wankers, and I got to the point of recognizing their post cadence and habitual misspellings, but I relied heavily on keeping a list of known IP addresses they were coming from and checking new accounts against it for a long time.

Thankfully, my forums are a much friendlier place to be now, but jeez they were like leeches you couldn&#039;t get rid of no matter what. And what sucked even more, was that they were locals. I knew their names and email addresses IRL. They just didn&#039;t care.

I hate trolls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlyn &#8211; I had that very problem when I took over my paper&#8217;s forum. We had a band of bullies who dominated the place and it took nearly two years to get past these tenacious folks. (I talked a little about my problems as a moderator <a href="http://www.stephanieromanski.com/2008/09/are-forums-important-anymore/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, what i finally had to do was disallow any registrations coming from any free email service like Yahoo, Hotmail or Gmail.</p>
<p>They were using them to create dupes and continue to antagonize the community I was trying to rebuild. some were easy to spot because they couldn&#8217;t help themselves from acting like wankers, and I got to the point of recognizing their post cadence and habitual misspellings, but I relied heavily on keeping a list of known IP addresses they were coming from and checking new accounts against it for a long time.</p>
<p>Thankfully, my forums are a much friendlier place to be now, but jeez they were like leeches you couldn&#8217;t get rid of no matter what. And what sucked even more, was that they were locals. I knew their names and email addresses IRL. They just didn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>I hate trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Quigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caitlin: I think the best thing you can do is deputize trusted users of your board and give them the power to ban, too. That way, it&#039;s not all on you. If there are several people on the watch-out for the problem children, you all can enjoy the board more.

Bridget: I think that&#039;s an excellent posted guideline. That&#039;s an important piece in this puzzle because you can refer back to it when dealing with abusers. They can&#039;t claim ignorance that way. Here is the one I crafted:

Austinites love to be heard, and we&#039;re giving you a bullhorn. We just ask that you keep things civil. Leave out the personal attacks. Do not use profanity, ethnic or racial slurs, or take shots at anyone&#039;s sexual orientation or religion. If you can&#039;t be nice, we reserve the right to remove your material and ban users who violate our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statesman.com/search/content/standing/visitoragreement.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;visitor&#039;s agreement.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caitlin: I think the best thing you can do is deputize trusted users of your board and give them the power to ban, too. That way, it&#8217;s not all on you. If there are several people on the watch-out for the problem children, you all can enjoy the board more.</p>
<p>Bridget: I think that&#8217;s an excellent posted guideline. That&#8217;s an important piece in this puzzle because you can refer back to it when dealing with abusers. They can&#8217;t claim ignorance that way. Here is the one I crafted:</p>
<p>Austinites love to be heard, and we&#8217;re giving you a bullhorn. We just ask that you keep things civil. Leave out the personal attacks. Do not use profanity, ethnic or racial slurs, or take shots at anyone&#8217;s sexual orientation or religion. If you can&#8217;t be nice, we reserve the right to remove your material and ban users who violate our <a href="http://www.statesman.com/search/content/standing/visitoragreement.html" rel="nofollow">visitor&#8217;s agreement.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Cavanaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget Cavanaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friend of mine, Jonathan Weber (remember him as EIC of Industry Standard) runs a community journalism site www.newwest.net and here&#039;s the guidelines you get when you leave a comment: A good example:


NewWest.Net encourages robust and lively, but civil participation from our readers. By posting here, you agree to the NewWest.Net terms of service. You agree to keep your comments on topic, respectful and free of gratuitous profanity. Contributions that engage in personal attacks, racism, sexism, bigotry, hatred or are otherwise patently offensive will be subject to removal.

Other than using a filter that scans for comment spam, we do not moderate contributions before they are posted and we do not review every thread, so we ask that you help us in keeping the discussions civil and appropriate. Please email info@newwest.net to notify us of comments that may violate these guidelines. Thanks for your help and cooperation. Click here for some tips on how to best interact on NewWest.Net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friend of mine, Jonathan Weber (remember him as EIC of Industry Standard) runs a community journalism site <a href="http://www.newwest.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.newwest.net</a> and here&#8217;s the guidelines you get when you leave a comment: A good example:</p>
<p>NewWest.Net encourages robust and lively, but civil participation from our readers. By posting here, you agree to the NewWest.Net terms of service. You agree to keep your comments on topic, respectful and free of gratuitous profanity. Contributions that engage in personal attacks, racism, sexism, bigotry, hatred or are otherwise patently offensive will be subject to removal.</p>
<p>Other than using a filter that scans for comment spam, we do not moderate contributions before they are posted and we do not review every thread, so we ask that you help us in keeping the discussions civil and appropriate. Please email <a href="mailto:info@newwest.net">info@newwest.net</a> to notify us of comments that may violate these guidelines. Thanks for your help and cooperation. Click here for some tips on how to best interact on NewWest.Net.</p>
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